Do not reply if you dont want to, either way I sensed you would be running away sometime soon.
You are an ignorant fool. On one hand you praise the Quran because according to your preconceived conclusion about the divinity of its author some of the contents there predict scientific knowledge. On the other hand you REJECT the scientific knowledge that contradicts your beliefs. That is truly close-minded, you are not willing to consider that maybe, your religion is dead wrong because you know that if you apply the same scrutiny to your beliefs... they will be shred to pieces.
Ignore all the real evidence, and accept the faux bullcrap you have accepted as the truth, just because you are certain that what you believe in is correct doesnt meant it is. You have to demonstrate the things you believe in if you are going to tell others they are wrong.
make logical statements, I urge you to try to put your statements in a logical equation going from a major premise, to a minor premise to a conclusion. try to make your arguments sound, try to make them valid and see if you reach the same conclision you have reached so far.
In the end, you are not doing anything useful, you are just wasting your life, the only life you have as far as the evidence goes. Are you willing to take that chance? Are you willing to throw your ONLY life away because of this stupid belief system for which you have absolutely no evidence that would stand in a court of law? Are you that desperate to feel like your life has a purpose?
How pathetic, the thought of a universe that is indifferent to your existence bothers you soo much that you need god in order to feel like you are someone.
You do not need god man... you ARE someone even without god.
If god exists ask yourself this... does he really want you to be an irrational fool? is that what the alleged creator of human intelligence really wants from you? FAITH???
Follow the evidence, trust me it doesnt lead to god.
WOW. I have never seen so much ignorance in just a couple of pages.
"Logic as a science is an Aristotelian foundation that passed through the Muslims"
You FOOl. First of all, logic is based on logical absolutes, those absolutes are what they are and they are not what they are because of Aristotle or anyone for that matter. Islam was created around the 7th and 8th century AD, and Aristotle lived and died between 384 BC – 322 BC YOU ARE CENTURIES OFF.
"God is for risk takers not superficial nerds who demand technicality"
I am sorry but I give a damn if the things I believe in are true. You obviously do not.
" Also the logic of proof means that whatever we are proving has to be material, tangible, basically something that we can empirically deal with"
You dont know anything about logic do you. Proof is something that can only be used in logic and mathematics, anything else is just evidence. The logical absolutes ARE intangible, immaterial, and transcendental. If you were right there would be no way for us to prove that 2+2=4. YOU FOOL.
"Logic as a science is an Aristotelian foundation that passed through the Muslims"
You FOOl. First of all, logic is based on logical absolutes, those absolutes are what they are and they are not what they are because of Aristotle or anyone for that matter. Islam was created around the 7th and 8th century AD, and Aristotle lived and died between 384 BC – 322 BC YOU ARE CENTURIES OFF.
"God is for risk takers not superficial nerds who demand technicality"
I am sorry but I give a damn if the things I believe in are true. You obviously do not.
" Also the logic of proof means that whatever we are proving has to be material, tangible, basically something that we can empirically deal with"
You dont know anything about logic do you. Proof is something that can only be used in logic and mathematics, anything else is just evidence. The logical absolutes ARE intangible, immaterial, and transcendental. If you were right there would be no way for us to prove that 2+2=4. YOU FOOL.
"God by definition cannot be empirical because that would be anthropomorphic"
Do you know what empirical is? You obviously have no idea what the word even means, thanks for proving god doesnt exist. You are telling me that god cannot be observed, experienced, or experimented. Not even experienced. Good job man.
"there is nothing like God"
What is god like then? You MUST know what he is like in order for you to say that there is nothing like god. Its the law of identity you fool. Tell me... what is god like?! And how could you possibly know there is nothing like god? Are you going to tell me that muslims are omniscient too? or even better, are you going to tell me that your god told you there is nothing like him? Give me a break man.
"Islam forbids superstition"
Islam IS superstition. All religions are. You guys are talking about things that do not exist, things that only exist in your heads and that have not been demonstrated to be true, much like the boogie man, the lochness monster, unicorns, and the chupacabra. There is no objective difference between your belief in god and the belief in santa claus.
"Furthermore, no Atheist can outcompete a Muslim in morality"
Which is why atheists fly airplanes into buildings, riiight. Even if that was true... it proves nothing, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, why are you even going there?
"An Atheist will think of the golden rule only"
YOU FOOL. Atheism is not a belief, it is the lack of belief. Atheism has no dogmas, no tenets, no doctrines, no authority, we do not have a set of beliefs. I know atheists who dont give a damn about the golden rule, and I know others who do. I know atheists who reject evolution and I know atheists that accept it. Atheism is a NON-FACTOR in everything, it is nothing more than the rejection of theism.
What good thing has EVER come out of Islam besides terrorism, mutilation of female sex organs, injustice, death, suffering, superstition, faith, violence, segregation, sexism, oppression, hatred, genocide, blood shed, anger, atrocities, immorality, disaster, corruption, harm, malice, wickedness, vice, and the repugnancy of ignorant men?
And by the way, your stupid prophet also had ten wives. You know who else has plenty of partners? VULTURES, RATS, DOGS, ROACHES.
"Where has the traditions of empiricism and speculative philosophy gotten us?"
The computer you are using to read this, the technology you use to communicate, the knowledge that saves lives in hospitals, the wisdom in pharmaceuticals, in chemistry, in biology, the technology that allowed us to get to the moon, to understand DNA, to visit mars, to learn about the way in which our solar system and other solar systems work.
Should I continue?
And by the way, your stupid prophet also had ten wives. You know who else has plenty of partners? VULTURES, RATS, DOGS, ROACHES.
"Where has the traditions of empiricism and speculative philosophy gotten us?"
The computer you are using to read this, the technology you use to communicate, the knowledge that saves lives in hospitals, the wisdom in pharmaceuticals, in chemistry, in biology, the technology that allowed us to get to the moon, to understand DNA, to visit mars, to learn about the way in which our solar system and other solar systems work.
Should I continue?
"but its very hyprocrytical to demand something from our faith that you cannot provide yourself"
If I could provide proof of god... I wouldnt be asking you. What on earth are you talking about?
"We, however, are putting our faith in God, who is perfect"
PROVE IT. Prove that god exists FIRST then make those assertions.
"There would be no faith, if God announced himself to you"
You are OBVIOUSLY AND BLATANTLY WRONG. Did any of the prophets stop believing? Did the israelites stop believing? Satan knows with absolute certainty that god exists and still chooses not to worship him. So OBVIOUSLY god revealing himself to us would have no effect on faith.
"try to prove yourself to God"
First I have to believe that he exists, and before I believe that, it has to be proven to me. So I guess I am just waiting for you guys and for god. I wont be holding my breath.
If I could provide proof of god... I wouldnt be asking you. What on earth are you talking about?
"We, however, are putting our faith in God, who is perfect"
PROVE IT. Prove that god exists FIRST then make those assertions.
"There would be no faith, if God announced himself to you"
You are OBVIOUSLY AND BLATANTLY WRONG. Did any of the prophets stop believing? Did the israelites stop believing? Satan knows with absolute certainty that god exists and still chooses not to worship him. So OBVIOUSLY god revealing himself to us would have no effect on faith.
"try to prove yourself to God"
First I have to believe that he exists, and before I believe that, it has to be proven to me. So I guess I am just waiting for you guys and for god. I wont be holding my breath.
"If i ask you where did the universe come from, you cannot give me a 100% factual answer, so dont demand one from us"
OK dude... you are comparing apples and oranges. I NEVER claimed to know how the universe came into existence, YOU guys did. You guys say that it was god, I have asked you to prove it and you have not. I dont have to explain how it happened BECAUSE I NEVER CLAIMED TO KNOW.
"the universe, with all its complexities, precision, corelation, structure, diversity, etc. is completely outside the realm of complete and total understanding by human beings"
I do not agree with you. We used to say the same about the way in which the body works, about the moon, about the stars, about electricity etc.
Just because we dont have an answer for something at the present moment in time does not mean that A) you get to just make some stupid story up and insert it in the gaps of our knowledge and CLAIM that it is true because we have no other explanation and B) it also doesnt mean that we never will understand it.
OK dude... you are comparing apples and oranges. I NEVER claimed to know how the universe came into existence, YOU guys did. You guys say that it was god, I have asked you to prove it and you have not. I dont have to explain how it happened BECAUSE I NEVER CLAIMED TO KNOW.
"the universe, with all its complexities, precision, corelation, structure, diversity, etc. is completely outside the realm of complete and total understanding by human beings"
I do not agree with you. We used to say the same about the way in which the body works, about the moon, about the stars, about electricity etc.
Just because we dont have an answer for something at the present moment in time does not mean that A) you get to just make some stupid story up and insert it in the gaps of our knowledge and CLAIM that it is true because we have no other explanation and B) it also doesnt mean that we never will understand it.
The truth is that the more we understand about the universe that surrounds us the smaller gods keep getting. Do you know how many gods before allah have come and gone with the discoveries of science? Do you know how many gods people have believed in throughout history but today are nothing more than a laughable bit of knowledge from our past? What makes you think YOUR imaginary friend will not be in that list two hundred years from now?
Your imaginary friend wont be around in centuries from now, either because you guys destroyed the world trying to defend him or because science, reason and logic finally got to him too.
THAT IS A REALITY. DEAL WITH IT.
Oh yes... the prophesy argument.
Finding something remarkable means you've found something remarkable, it doesn't tell you what the source is. In the case of supposed "Scripture Prophecy" - it's ALL nonsense. Predictions need to be specific and time-limited. Is it fulfilled prophecy when the waiter brings me the food I ordered? Of course not - which points out another problem.... prophecy can't be a statement that is publicly known, with many people actually working toward the achievement.
It also can't be ambiguous or prone to interpretation.
Show me a prophesy in the quran that made some OUTSTANDING claims. Did the verse say anything about the sun providing the light? Did it say anything about what allows the fetus to hang to the womb? Did it say anything about DNA? Evolution? DID it say ANYTHING specific, or just general statements which could be interpreted to mean anything?
Finding something remarkable means you've found something remarkable, it doesn't tell you what the source is. In the case of supposed "Scripture Prophecy" - it's ALL nonsense. Predictions need to be specific and time-limited. Is it fulfilled prophecy when the waiter brings me the food I ordered? Of course not - which points out another problem.... prophecy can't be a statement that is publicly known, with many people actually working toward the achievement.
It also can't be ambiguous or prone to interpretation.
Show me a prophesy in the quran that made some OUTSTANDING claims. Did the verse say anything about the sun providing the light? Did it say anything about what allows the fetus to hang to the womb? Did it say anything about DNA? Evolution? DID it say ANYTHING specific, or just general statements which could be interpreted to mean anything?
"You claim there is no god, but fail to prove y not"
I never claimed god doesnt exist, I have asked you to prove your claims. I never made a single claim regarding the existence or nonexistence of god. I disbelieve in god which is different than believing that gods do not exists. Either way YOU are the one that has to prove your claims. Do not try to change this onto me.
"Where did we come from?"
Our parents, and so on. Its a NATURAL process called evolution.
"where did the universe come from?"
I really do not know. That doesnt mean you get to make your stupid imaginary friend up and say he did it. You actually have to demonstrate it.
You guys really think that just because we do not know the answer to the second question that you can simply say god did it and thats it?
WILFUL IGNORANCE.
I never claimed god doesnt exist, I have asked you to prove your claims. I never made a single claim regarding the existence or nonexistence of god. I disbelieve in god which is different than believing that gods do not exists. Either way YOU are the one that has to prove your claims. Do not try to change this onto me.
"Where did we come from?"
Our parents, and so on. Its a NATURAL process called evolution.
"where did the universe come from?"
I really do not know. That doesnt mean you get to make your stupid imaginary friend up and say he did it. You actually have to demonstrate it.
You guys really think that just because we do not know the answer to the second question that you can simply say god did it and thats it?
WILFUL IGNORANCE.
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