Enjoy.
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" your logic is NOTHING compared to God"
Prove god exists for that to make sense please.
"Do you know who God is?"
I am waiting for you to tell me smart boy
"Have you even ever read the Bible all the way through?"
No, almost done though, I started about a year ago. But even if I had never picked up a bible before this.... you are once again... trying to divert the focus of the conversation unto me. Avoid it all you want, the questions I have raised remained unanswered and at this point it looks like not even god is helping you.
"you will never understand that you are the fool"
Prove god exists for that to make sense please.
"we try to answer your questions"
You have not even tried. Sorry but saying "you just do not get it" is not an answer. You would actually have to provide something for me to get or not get and you have not given me anything.
"you still reply with anger and hateful word"
Not anger nor hate, persiflage and ridicule. In any case, even if my response was anger and hateful words what have you provided? Nothing, absolute and pure NOTHINGNESS, no evidence, nothing to back up your statements and no defense for your god. Go ahead, keep trying to make this about me, but in the end the ball is still on your court and the burden is on you barbie.
"it seems to me that will only come after we accept whatever it is YOU say is right"
I am here to debate and question your beliefs. In the process I am interested in raising awareness to the irrationality and stupidity of some of the beliefs held by theists. I am all for a healthy debate, I never start the arguments by being disrespectful to people, beliefs maybe but never people. One thing that I rarely do (unless I am explicilty asked) is actually talk about the things I believe or actually express a position. So, when you say that I just want people to accept what I say... you are just lying or trying to avoid the issue (both perhaps?) because I have never said what I believe in and I have never told anyone that they should agree with me.
I have asked for evidence and just because you cant provide any doesnt mean I am making a statement about anything.
"Do you not know that discipline is just as important as freedom?"
Thats right barbie keep avoiding the subject. Good job.
"Your words reflect someone who is miserable and angry and VERY emotional...but deny it. And you try to hide behind intellect"
You are now starting to do these things people do when they know their neck is on the railroad tracks and the train is approaching. What you did right there is extremely dishonest and if this was a formal debate you would be booed off the soap box. The claim you made there is flawed in two respects:
1. Unverifiable: Whatever I do or say your conclusion will be the same. One of your premises is also part of your conclusion, making the logic circular (not logical). If I deny your bold assertion you will say "aha! I said he would deny it therefore I am correct!" and if I assert your premise then you will say "aha! I knew it!". Thats what like to call a "sissy move", you cannot defend your position logically so you try to defend it illogically.
2. Unsound: You seem to think that intellect is a bad thing and that faith is better. You are wrong. Even if you turn out to be right about god, and you are simply unable to defend the position, saying that blind faith is better than intellect is a fallacy, it simply isnt true.
I am passionate about this topic yes, but I always keep a cool head EVEN when I purposely try to offend people. I am not mad, I enjoy this a lot, I have fun doing this, I wouldnt do it if it made me angry. Trust me, I am not even on second gear yet, if I wanted to insult you I would have done that already. So far, all I have focused on is pointing out errors in your statements and your logic. You say that makes me an angry person, but I think you are just saying that because you have nothing else to say.
I have the love and acceptance of the creator of this universe who loves even you.
Prove god exists for that to make sense please.
"I have the promise of a wonderful eternal future"
Prove god exists for that to make sense please
"try to prove a negative"
I am not trying to prove anything barbie, I am trying to get YOU to prove YOUR claims. If you have not gotten than little part till now then no wonder you are a theist. I am waiting for your evidence, I am waiting to hear it. Just provide it, say you have none or get out of the way. There are people out there who are up to the challenge to defend their beliefs.
"Madeline Murray's son became a christian, his name is John Murray. Read some of his works"
This is what I do not get about people like you. There are two possible ways we could look at this and neither of them look good for you. Let me explain:
Here is a true dichotomy for you; you have either read the book or you have not.
Lets assume you read the book:
If you read the book and if you really believe that whatever arguments are presented in the book will be good enough to persuade me then you should also be able to just tell me what they are. If you read the book, if the arguments there are SOO awesome and if you really think that whatever is in there will "save me" (assuming you actually believe what you say you believe and you actually believe I need to get saved) then you would not wait for me to read the book and you would just tell me what those arguments are.
Lets assume you have not read the book:
Why the hell would you suggest a book you know nothing about????
I think you are showing clear signs of surrender my friend, please, stop wasting your time and my time.
Provide the evidence or move on.
Sounds good?
Prove god exists for that to make sense please.
"Do you know who God is?"
I am waiting for you to tell me smart boy
"Have you even ever read the Bible all the way through?"
No, almost done though, I started about a year ago. But even if I had never picked up a bible before this.... you are once again... trying to divert the focus of the conversation unto me. Avoid it all you want, the questions I have raised remained unanswered and at this point it looks like not even god is helping you.
"you will never understand that you are the fool"
Prove god exists for that to make sense please.
"we try to answer your questions"
You have not even tried. Sorry but saying "you just do not get it" is not an answer. You would actually have to provide something for me to get or not get and you have not given me anything.
"you still reply with anger and hateful word"
Not anger nor hate, persiflage and ridicule. In any case, even if my response was anger and hateful words what have you provided? Nothing, absolute and pure NOTHINGNESS, no evidence, nothing to back up your statements and no defense for your god. Go ahead, keep trying to make this about me, but in the end the ball is still on your court and the burden is on you barbie.
"it seems to me that will only come after we accept whatever it is YOU say is right"
I am here to debate and question your beliefs. In the process I am interested in raising awareness to the irrationality and stupidity of some of the beliefs held by theists. I am all for a healthy debate, I never start the arguments by being disrespectful to people, beliefs maybe but never people. One thing that I rarely do (unless I am explicilty asked) is actually talk about the things I believe or actually express a position. So, when you say that I just want people to accept what I say... you are just lying or trying to avoid the issue (both perhaps?) because I have never said what I believe in and I have never told anyone that they should agree with me.
I have asked for evidence and just because you cant provide any doesnt mean I am making a statement about anything.
"Do you not know that discipline is just as important as freedom?"
Thats right barbie keep avoiding the subject. Good job.
"Your words reflect someone who is miserable and angry and VERY emotional...but deny it. And you try to hide behind intellect"
You are now starting to do these things people do when they know their neck is on the railroad tracks and the train is approaching. What you did right there is extremely dishonest and if this was a formal debate you would be booed off the soap box. The claim you made there is flawed in two respects:
1. Unverifiable: Whatever I do or say your conclusion will be the same. One of your premises is also part of your conclusion, making the logic circular (not logical). If I deny your bold assertion you will say "aha! I said he would deny it therefore I am correct!" and if I assert your premise then you will say "aha! I knew it!". Thats what like to call a "sissy move", you cannot defend your position logically so you try to defend it illogically.
2. Unsound: You seem to think that intellect is a bad thing and that faith is better. You are wrong. Even if you turn out to be right about god, and you are simply unable to defend the position, saying that blind faith is better than intellect is a fallacy, it simply isnt true.
I am passionate about this topic yes, but I always keep a cool head EVEN when I purposely try to offend people. I am not mad, I enjoy this a lot, I have fun doing this, I wouldnt do it if it made me angry. Trust me, I am not even on second gear yet, if I wanted to insult you I would have done that already. So far, all I have focused on is pointing out errors in your statements and your logic. You say that makes me an angry person, but I think you are just saying that because you have nothing else to say.
I have the love and acceptance of the creator of this universe who loves even you.
Prove god exists for that to make sense please.
"I have the promise of a wonderful eternal future"
Prove god exists for that to make sense please
"try to prove a negative"
I am not trying to prove anything barbie, I am trying to get YOU to prove YOUR claims. If you have not gotten than little part till now then no wonder you are a theist. I am waiting for your evidence, I am waiting to hear it. Just provide it, say you have none or get out of the way. There are people out there who are up to the challenge to defend their beliefs.
"Madeline Murray's son became a christian, his name is John Murray. Read some of his works"
This is what I do not get about people like you. There are two possible ways we could look at this and neither of them look good for you. Let me explain:
Here is a true dichotomy for you; you have either read the book or you have not.
Lets assume you read the book:
If you read the book and if you really believe that whatever arguments are presented in the book will be good enough to persuade me then you should also be able to just tell me what they are. If you read the book, if the arguments there are SOO awesome and if you really think that whatever is in there will "save me" (assuming you actually believe what you say you believe and you actually believe I need to get saved) then you would not wait for me to read the book and you would just tell me what those arguments are.
Lets assume you have not read the book:
Why the hell would you suggest a book you know nothing about????
I think you are showing clear signs of surrender my friend, please, stop wasting your time and my time.
Provide the evidence or move on.
Sounds good?
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